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August 09, 2007

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turboderek

apple pays "mac genius" less money now then they did 2-5 years ago. The quality of service sufferers. It is pretty sad first yourself and you wife missed the switch. But it's even worse that apple employee did not notice that right away.

mac

maybe if you were smart enough to realize what silent mode was you wouldnt have wasted the 'genius' time trying to fix a problem that never existed.

Chris

Sigh, women. Am I right? Eh?

Jstaggie

@mac

Yeah, she missed the switch. But for the "Genius" to miss it, go through 2 installs, and then claim it was "fixed" without identifying the cause is crappy service.
There's no excuse for any Genius Bar employee to not have checked the switch as part of the troubleshooting. And that's much worse than a customer who simply missed it and asked for help.

CTNO

Clearly we have two factors at play here.

First, the girl who thought her phone was broken is an idiot. Not because she didn't know about the switch, but because she made us believe this whole time that she was a victim of some sinister Apple plan to piss off customers. The genius is as big of an idiot as you. If you want instant service at the popular and busy genius bar, you need procare or something that gives you first-class access.

Second, the genius should have been given a new shirt marked DUNCE because if the genius doesn't know about the switch, he's instantly a bigger idiot than the poster.

Chris

I had to read through this twice just to make sure I understood, and now I do.
This is the biggest load of BS I've ever read. There is no way that this account could be real. It reads like a tale of the quite-literate pampered suburban housewife disgruntled that the Apple Store couldn't meet her needs right there on the spot.
I guarantee that many of the points here in this article are exaggerated, such as the amount of time waiting past the appointed time being thirty minutes. It's probably more like ten if it was late at all. And the ineptitude of the employees described here are simply hilarious to read, if completely unbelievable and certainly untrue.
Wake up babe, the world doesn't revolve around you. Get in line.

Chris

The geniuses are not very bright.

Recently I had to "schedule" a time to talk to someone about the $2k+ computer I bought several days ago and wait 2 days for the appointment arrived.

The "Genius" was 45 minutes because Apple obviously is more interested in the 15 year old who dropped $149 on a Nano than someone who dropped $2k on 1 computer (one of 4 purchased this year).

The "genius" bar is staffed by "geniuses" if you compare them to the regular Apple employee at the store. Now, they are Dumb. I bought an MacBook to give to a relative serving in Iraq so they could Video iChat with their kids. I could not convince little Miss Apple that the extnded warranty is of no use in a war zone. There are no Apple stores. She kept telling me it extends the phone support time. I repeated he was in Iraq, they can't call tech support lines.

She didn't know what Iraq was.

The genius bar needs to be used for real items that people spend real money, not iPods. If I want crappy service, I can buy a Dell for a lot mess money.

Lisa

First, the girl who thought her phone was broken is an idiot.

The "girl" here is a 51-year old woman.

Karen

And not an idiot. Just a little too busy to read my iPhone manual. And I would only have "wasted" the Genius' time for 20 seconds if the Genius hadn't been an idiot.

The account is absolutely real, including the time spent sitting on the stool. I do have ProCare, you do not go to the head of the class with ProCare in Orlando -- you line up with all the OTHER people who have ProCare.

I am QUITE aware that the world does not revolve around me. It revolves around my 18 year-old daughter.

Did I miss anything?

Karen

Oh yeah, to the "Sigh, women" dude. I'll play dueling CVs with you any day of any week. Whoever you are, other than male -- for which, unless you know something that I don't -- YOU don't get to take any credit.

Joe

Notice how I'm not saying a word?

-J.

George

"And yes, if you were wondering, the reinstalling of the sytem wiped out all of my contacts, photos, carefully selected ringtones, etc. etc."

Just a note, since you don't have time to read the simple manual, your iPhone is synced to your computer, so all your "wiped out contacts, photos, etc" are AUTOMATICALLY restored after reinstalling the system (reinstalling only requires only 1 button push in iTunes and about 5 minutes).

I feel for Mac Geniuses, there are MILLIONS of little issues to know about and they take 'em as they come.

Mike

PRAY for guidance!

joke

K.,

You couldn't have generated this much bandwidth consumption if you had posted that all the Jesuits had become heterophobic Marxist heretics!

-J.

dead.stars

Very early on I was tempted to "fast forward" to the end to see if the problem was solved with the flick of that switch. Reason being is that a co-worker of mine related a story where someone walked into our store with the same issue. He looked down at the phone (we are just the specialists...not the geniuses...heh heh), asked her if she had tried flicking the switch to the other position, demonstrated a ring, and she just hung her head. He did not mean it to sound so smart-ass and rather just matter of factly asked her the question, but she just smiled and said thanks. The story was quite funny, but I was glad he told me because I had the same issue with someone the very next week and we both were able to save the customer the pain described above.

BTW - we have plenty of "typical" affluent suburban hw as customers all day long...for the most part, they are VERY nice and exhibit little to no attitude at all. I think for the most part we have the best customers in retail.

dennis

Whiny spoiled pampered suburban wife.

It is ladies like this that make the world suck in general. The world rotates around their fat ass, SUV, talking on the phone while driving, drinking their starbucks asses.

Lady take your phone box it up return it get a razor. have your husband slap you for being an idiot. Apoloigize to your kids for being a moron and get a gun put it to your temple and hope to God that you were smart enough to put the bullets in...

Have a great day you whiny sow.

Non Disclosure

This account is truely outrageous, but I wouldn't say out of the question. I am a Mac Genius at an Apple Store and would disagree with a lot of the accusations listed. However, I would agree that sometimes mistakes are made as well. If the Genius team at that store acted as the story accounted it, then they did not do their job. I promise you, that is not the experience you would receive at my store. To start with we give iPhone customers preferental treatment...meaning, no reservation? no problem.

Now with that being said; if people would just use the resources that are quickly available to them then the Genius Bar's in the stores would not be that jam packed. Simple use apple.com/support and you will solve a majority of your issues. If after you have visited this resource and your situation is not resolved then by all means, make a reservation and come on in!

joe

Oh, THIS is going to end well.

-J.

Bruno Dexter

As an ex Apple Retail employee I've worked both sides of the bar. Your experience should not be tolerated.
Yes, the fix was an easy one (in the end), but this doesn't excuse the lack of knowledge the "genius" demonstrated.
Several facts:
1. Many store managers understaff so they can hit their metric, regardless of store experience.
2. Most "geniuses" are way underpaid. For comparision, as a mac consultant I bill anywhere between 50 and 125 dollars per hr. Most "geniuses" are lucky to pull down more than 15 per hour.
3. Working the bar is a high burn out position. Even if you are really good at your job (and really try to help the customer) you will still get yelled at daily and you will have to deal with both smart and (I hate to use the word) stupid customers. The smart ones believe they know much more than you and the less blessed will argue that dropping an iPod in a toilet should be covered under warranty.
4. The managers can be real buttheads. Many come from retail like the Gap or the like, but have no real computer knowledge and most are only fascinated by quarterly bonuses than the wonder of technology.

One piece of advice:
Email the store, customer relations, and Ron Johnson of Apple Retail. Call, write, and email! Complain until someone hears that there needs to be some housecleaning at Apple Retail.

Once again, I am sorry you had such a bad experience. On the upside yout iPhone works.

Ed K

You are a perfect example of the kind of customer that always complains about poor customer service. Do you really think the Genius (and you really hate that they are called that, people take their job title way too seriously) - a certified techninian that Apple spends thousands of dollars to train - missed the silent switch? I bet they are still having a good laugh at your expense. And losing the instruction guide is no excuse! The phone has a web browser, it is called Safari. You go to Apple.com, click support, click iPhone Support, and do a basic troubleshoot. You would have had your problem solved in minutes so as to allow the Genius to get on to real troubleshooting that they are trained to do.

Karen

Bruno: Thanks. I was starting to question whether or not I should switch to a Dell based on the personalities of Mac users hereby displayed.

I have had very good luck and been treated very well by Mac geniuses in the past, over the many years of being a Mac owner. I think I got a particularly bad genius, but as I said in my post, I also think Apple has a Genius Bar problem and needs to find a way to send the iPods elsewhere because everyone in America has one.

In my defense, the switch is very small and I have a cover on the phone (bought at the Mac store) that almost covers it, which is why I hadn't realized it was there. I really should have searched for the book or online, but it so happens that "spoiled suburban housewives" have a loooooong list of things to do everyday. That, and I happen to be a "spoiled housewife" with a high pressure job that eats up all the time that I don't spend at Starbucks or...what was the other thing? Oh yeah, sitting on my fat ass.

One more thing: suburban housewives work their fat asses off, doing the most important thing on the planet.

I think I'll stop there, unless Joe has anything to add.

JAC

Other buttons on the iPhone: Wake / Sleep ( on the top ); Home ( bottom center ).

Now, you can throw the booklet away.

Earl Shalls

I used to be a mac genius. I did it for several years. Yes I would make a mistake every now and then and miss diagnose something but i had a great crew that would make sure we ask cover the dumb questions before going to swapping out the ipod / iphone / checking in the machine for repair.

this just sounds like a team that didn't work together well. Yes apple changed the genius position and lowered the salary range so the talent has gone down and most really good mac techs make alot more and can work normal non retail hours and apple just can't compete.

joe

I'm kind of impressed with the restraint manifested...

-J.

vaporland

Genius Bar - more like the Geniurd Bar.

I had an iPod Shuffle suffer premature failure under warranty, and the Geniurd wanted me to buy an extended warranty (for the same price I originally paid for the Shuffle) just to look at it right away.

I said "It's under warranty, can't I just drop it off and come back, it's broken, it died, I WANT A NEW REPLACEMENT ONE".

No go - without an appointment, no can do, so I threw it away...

I like Apple stuff, but the Apple Stores and the Geniurds suck...

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